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[Teatime]

preordered win7 professional yesterday at amazon.co.uk, because when I got home it wasn't available in Germany anymore....

You realize you won't be able to switch OS-languages on Professional? To my knowledge only Ultimate will allow for that (which curiously only costs 10,- more).

[t3rribl3on3]

i really like win 7 from playing with it a bit i will be buying it upon release.

also the dx 11 cards are out last quarter of this year so hold back until then.

mmmmmmm dx11

[Ringelbeatz]

preordered win7 professional yesterday at amazon.co.uk, because when I got home it wasn't available in Germany anymore....

You realize you won't be able to switch OS-languages on Professional? To my knowledge only Ultimate will allow for that (which curiously only costs 10,- more).

As long as the language is English it's not such a big thing. There are pictures for everything

[Junta]

Now THAT is a *really* strange thing for MS to do.. prevent language changes???

Any links or extra info on that?

[Millicent Bystander]

Loaded Win 7 on a spare hard drive last, it makes XP look like crap, seems to run faster too, maybe because my full 4Gb of RAM is brought into play.

[Magathery]

OK, it looks like the pre-order offers are out. So far it boils down to £50 for Home and £100 for Pro.

Offer runns 15th Jully 2009 to 9th August 2009.

Here's a link to Microsoft who can explain it better than me...

http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/buy/offers/pre-order.aspx

[DeadlyAvenger]

OK, it looks like the pre-order offers are out. So far it boils down to £50 for Home and £100 for Pro.

Offer runns 15th Jully 2009 to 9th August 2009.

Here's a link to Microsoft who can explain it better than me...

http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/buy/offers/pre-order.aspx

One thing I would be interested to know is how these prices will compare to the OEM version? I bought the OEM version of vista when it came out as it was MUCH cheaper, but £50 does seem like a good price - any particular reason to go for professional over home?

[Junta]

Professional includes the virtual XP machine capability...

Like Vista, the home premium edition can't run Virtual PC (you can install and run but there are some undocumented "features" that I found to be unreliable).

[DeadlyAvenger]

Professional includes the virtual XP machine capability...

Like Vista, the home premium edition can't run Virtual PC (you can install and run but there are some undocumented "features" that I found to be unreliable).

I also went and then did some research on it and found that it also does full automatic backups.

Also noticed that the E version (on preorder) does not include a web-browser. That was such a stupid lawsuit it's ridiculous. Ok - IE isn't great but who is going to get their computer home from a shop (talking just regular numpty public here) and already have a browser on a disk or memory stick? They would surely have to download it...and how does one do that without a browser? *facepalm*

[Teatime]

Professional includes the virtual XP machine capability...

Like Vista, the home premium edition can't run Virtual PC (you can install and run but there are some undocumented "features" that I found to be unreliable).

Damn, I was hoping Home would include this mode
And I'm not sure I want to spend so much money for that feature alone. (And sadly the pre-order offer in Germany only was for Home and has been exhausted on the first day!)

[Teatime]

Also noticed that the E version (on preorder) does not include a web-browser. That was such a stupid lawsuit it's ridiculous. Ok - IE isn't great but who is going to get their computer home from a shop (talking just regular numpty public here) and already have a browser on a disk or memory stick? They would surely have to download it...and how does one do that without a browser? *facepalm*

That's actually all the "E" is about. It only marks the difference between the versions with and without IE.
But I think computers can be sold with a non-E Win7. Also distributors could add IE to the countless other software crap they bundle to the PC/Notebook.

[reVert]

It's stupid that they're releasing versions without IE in it yeah, but does that mean that the non-E versions can uninstall IE too?  That was the main concern, not that it wouldn't be bundled with it to begin with.

[DeadlyAvenger]

It's stupid that they're releasing versions without IE in it yeah, but does that mean that the non-E versions can uninstall IE too?  That was the main concern, not that it wouldn't be bundled with it to begin with.

Hmm - interesting. I can only guess so? They have obviously removed any dependency for IE from Win 7 to allow it to be shipped without it so I presume it will work Ok. I'd find it amusing though if the microsoft website required IE to work though (as I know is the case with some websites with advanced functionality).

Due to the removal of Internet Explorer, European customers will not be able to upgrade their Vista installations and will have to perform clean installations of Windows 7. Microsoft has said that it may offer the option to install Internet Explorer via Windows Update.[citation needed]

Wow...so they are essentially punishing you for being european by having to do a clean install!

Professional has the following features over home:
XP Virtual Machine
Domain Join (for company networks)
Automatic Backup

Ultimate has the following extra features:
Bitlocker encryption
Ability to choose whatever language you like and switch between them

Although, looking at the microsoft website...
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/features/backup-and-restore
it says on the right hand side that "this feature comes with all editions of Windows 7"
It does say "Recover your data easily with automatic backup to your home and business network." so maybe only backing up to a network is possible in professional.

[Brahms]

God, I don't want to have to deal with all this. Someone tell me whether I should preorder home premium or professional? I'm just going to use it to play games in. Everything else is Ubuntu.

[Magathery]

And while we're at it. I take it choosing 64 bit over 32 is the right desission yes?