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[claws]

The main handicap for demo is the fact that he HAS to switch back from bottle to another gun to get back into the fight. ALL other classes can hit at range with their smg / shotgun or pistol.

But any form of close damage unlock you get will inevitably reduce the huge mid/long range damage you can do ; which is kind of why people play demo in the first place

[Nineblade]

But any form of close damage unlock you get will inevitably reduce the huge mid/long range damage you can do ; which is kind of why people play demo in the first place

Yeah I just like demo for the spam. If I get too close to the enemy then just I run away or blow myself up

[Junta]

The main handicap for demo is the fact that he HAS to switch back from bottle to another gun to get back into the fight. ALL other classes can hit at range with their smg / shotgun or pistol.

But any form of close damage unlock you get will inevitably reduce the huge mid/long range damage you can do ; which is kind of why people play demo in the first place

- I'm just baiting actually

Posting that the "poor demo needs an update" is always good for a few extra posts from others

[Hzza]

I'm glad you said that before I took the bait!

[claws]

Posting that the "poor demo needs an update" is always good for a few extra posts from others

Nevertheless, the idea that poor little demokins needs a buff should be stamped out as soon as it appears, before the crazies at Valve start taking it seriously

[Junta]

I just hope that the Demo gets a replacement for his bottle..

A large rubber dildo...

All together now "they're gonna have to stitch you back together in hellll"

[Mr Chug]

Already been done (sort of)

My horse dong brings all the Scouts to the yard
And they're like "It's better than yours."
Damn right, it's better than yours,
I can Bonk you but I'll have to charge.

[mode_seven]

Already been done (sort of)

My horse dong brings all the Scouts to the yard
And they're like "It's better than yours."
Damn right, it's better than yours,
I can Bonk you but I'll have to charge.

*imagines Chug singing this*

*collapses with laughter*

[Junta]

ROFL Chug!

I knew about the update.. wanted the Demo man to be able to "do that scene" from Lock Stock & Two Smoking barrels...

[Vitalis]

Mild sorta-derail:

So the flaregun is still next to useless compared to the shotgun.

ORLY?

Weapon>>>>Point Blank>>>>Medium>>>>Long
Shotgun>>>>>80-90>>>>>>>10-30>>>>3-10
Flare>>>>>>>27-33(+60)>>>27-33(+60)>27-33(+60)

So the Flare does more impact damage at all ranges apart from at point blank.
You're playing Pyro... So why the hell would you be using your shotgun over your 135-180dps Flame-thrower at close range?

Please don't respond just with "It's harder to hit with the flare gun" as that just says that you are 'useless'[with the flare], not the weapon itself. (You'd also have to hit twice with the shotgun).
The exceptions obviously being:
Straight duels with other Pyros, although straight impact does more damage this is one situations where having an easier to aim weapon might outweigh the damage caused (although you are still likely to use the Flame-thrower up close).
Underwater (Which frankly noone spends a lot of time being...).

Wait wait, they changed the flaregun now?

Yes does a minicrit if you hit an already ignited enemy with it. But that only counts for you and the flare hit not the afterburn.

Can you point me to the particular patch note that explains what you are saying?
TF2 Wiki states that Flare mini crit-impact does 41 and burn causes +4 damage.

[Karthus]

Mild sorta-derail:

So the flaregun is still next to useless compared to the shotgun.

ORLY?

Weapon>>>>Point Blank>>>>Medium>>>>Long
Shotgun>>>>>80-90>>>>>>>10-30>>>>3-10
Flare>>>>>>>27-33(+60)>>>27-33(+60)>27-33(+60)

So the Flare does more impact damage at all ranges apart from at point blank.
You're playing Pyro... So why the hell would you be using your shotgun over your 135-180dps Flame-thrower at close range?

Please don't respond just with "It's easier to hit with the flare gun" as that just says that you are 'useless'[with the flare], not the weapon itself. (You'd also have to hit twice with the shotgun).
The exceptions obviously being:
Straight duels with other Pyros, although straight impact does more damage this is one situations where having an easier to aim weapon might outweigh the damage caused (although you are still likely to use the Flame-thrower up close).
Underwater (Which frankly noone spends a lot of time being...).

Wait wait, they changed the flaregun now?

Yes does a minicrit if you hit an already ignited enemy with it. But that only counts for you and the flare hit not the afterburn.

Can you point me to the particular patch note that explains what you are saying?
TF2 Wiki states that Flare mini crit-impact does 41 and burn causes +4 damage.

Its a hidden change.

[Vitalis]

Its a hidden change.

hmm ORLY? :p
Pics or it didn't happen?

(Sorry to be so sceptical, just throw me some evidence plx)

[millhawk]

As far as i can tell the flare gun is as effective as it has always been; and I as a person who only plays pyro would always choose it over the shotgun (Y).

[millhawk]

Also FaN buff is going to make me cry, i don't know why they felt the need to make scouts so annoying all the time... But reflecting arrows (Y) that'll be a laugh

[Burnalot]

I agree with Millhawk and Vitalis. I always use the flare gun. It is undervalued. Many people argue that the shotgun is more valuable as they use it to finish off injured enemies. However, if you can aim with the flare gun, I find it does a better job of it.