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[Officer Dibble]

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[Blue Geezer]

hmm thinking about this. this could mean some sentries are gonna be a nightmare to kill! no more putting them in corners you want wide open spaces where you can aim and go nuts.....

[scroggage]

Les achevements

Come on chaps, you know the drill. Honky Tonk Man, you say? GUITAR, as Blue Geezer said, you say??!?!

LET WILD SPECULATION COMMENCE!

edit: Damn! Ninja'd by Dibble!

Also, the shield on the wrangler sounds frickin' poweful mate. How is that gonna work?

[Officer Dibble]

Achievement pics seem to feature a guitar a lot.

Damn, counter-ninja'd

[Blue Geezer]

i really think this could open the engie up a lot. offensive sentries in wide open areas could be devastating.

remember it was limited by sensor range not bullet range before....

none of that now!

[scroggage]

i really think this could open the engie up a lot. offensive sentries in wide open areas could be devastating.

remember it was limited by sensor range not bullet range before....

none of that now!

Indeed. Looking at one of the achievements, the wrangler looks like it's a long-range beast, as there's a pic of a sniper being targeted with "10" by him... allows the possibility for engie to be effective at range.

And you get double firing rate, with faster rockets and a shield...
The only downside appears to be the 3 sec cooldown, and the fact sentries will run out of ammo quicker.

[Blue Geezer]

i really think this could open the engie up a lot. offensive sentries in wide open areas could be devastating.

remember it was limited by sensor range not bullet range before....

none of that now!

Indeed. Looking at one of the achievements, the wrangler looks like it's a long-range beast, as there's a pic of a sniper being targeted with "10" by him... allows the possibility for engie to be effective at range.

And you get double firing rate, with faster rockets and a shield...
The only downside appears to be the 3 sec cooldown, and the fact sentries will run out of ammo quicker.

co ordinated engineers rushing could be beastly....

[Nineblade]

Most of them won't be proper engineers. They'll be technicians really

[LtMama]

Bare in mind you won't be able to repair or restock when using it, plus I suspect you'll be fucking vunerable. I suspect the shield will be nerfed. Would require like 7-8 rockets to kill a lvl 3. Should be interesting to see. And bah! I can't idle for items if I'm in B'stoke

[mode_seven]

Bare in mind you won't be able to repair or restock when using it, plus I suspect you'll be fucking vunerable. I suspect the shield will be nerfed. Would require like 7-8 rockets to kill a lvl 3. Should be interesting to see. And bah! I can't idle for items if I'm in B'stoke

I suppose the tactic there is to encourage another engineer to repair your stuff while you roam with the Wrangler. Perhaps the "Deputized" achievement is related to this?

[discordance]

Bare in mind you won't be able to repair or restock when using it, plus I suspect you'll be fucking vunerable. I suspect the shield will be nerfed. Would require like 7-8 rockets to kill a lvl 3. Should be interesting to see. And bah! I can't idle for items if I'm in B'stoke

You know how the latest patch said they fixed alt-tabbing? They broke it for me. For shame, perhaps a temporary mesaure to stop me idling in the background ?

[LtMama]

I run TF2 in windowed mode, so not a problem or me (This make me sound like a chronic idler, but literally only started idling again the other night when JammyJim informed mr you can get item drops whilst in practice mode D:) 

[Zarf]

sounds totally imba, sentry with no range limitation and twice the dps that can survive three times the normal damage? Thanks to human targeting, even Ubers could be pushed back or juggled with some well placed rockets at their feet. With a friendly pyro around to blast any stickies and spycheck it looks game-breaking at first glance .. the maps are designed around sentry range limitations.

The important issue to balance is how long the sentry can be controlled at a time, i'm guessing it will drain a slowly charging bar, like spy cloaks (metal drain would be tactically interesting but unbalanced by dispensers)

Spys are gonna have a field day on servers where the engies arn't given cover though - engy won't see them coming and the sentry won't even be able to shoot the spy in revenge for 3 seconds after. Could be good news for scouts and rocket/sticky jumping could come into it's own (they'd only need to take out the controlling engy, one DH rocket would do it and he's presumably a stationary target)

One other thing I've thought of is that maybe your viewpoint doesn't change to the sentry during use, maybe going to a third person style that would put the engy in the line of fire.

[discordance]

i don't think it will be limited use with a status bar, its limited use because you need to fix and reload your sentry which incurs a 3 second no firing period. like you already pointed out both the engy and his sentry are in danger, they are opening themselves up to spies big time. And at a guess the controls are probably unwieldy.

[Junta]

The engy changes look sh*t tbh, and as stated elsewhere, the ability to control an SG and double it's rate of fire (and lessen the damage taken) is a game breaker for me tbh.

Nice going there Valve! (again)