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[Junta]

You misread Junty, I said it was going to need to be aimed

LOL

[Hzza]

BOOM!

[CruelCow]

Teambuildingkilling sentries would just be asking for griefing and a single newb engi could be a heavily disadvantage for his team.

I like your first idea power, and tbh. I don't think the engi should have to return to his sentry to unsap: Constantly killing enemies while running from the front to the sentry is next to impossible.
IMHO sappers should become timed. If the engi kills enough people to say.... keep his sentry 10 seconds alive, the sapper falls off. That should be very hard, but still reasonable. The spy can simply resap the sentry if no teammate comes for its rescue.
Better send that idea in, might as well get picked.

The repair-by-picking-up-boxes-idea sounds like a straight upgrade for me: It works the same way it works now, the engi simply saves himself the step of actually having to hit his sentry.

[Power]

You misread Junty, I said it was going to need to be aimed

ALSO NO TRIPLE ROCKETS!

Teambuildingkilling sentries would just be asking for griefing and a single newb engi could be a heavily disadvantage for his team.

True, just put up a sentry behind all the other sentries and see your team rage.

I like your first idea power, and tbh. I don't think the engi should have to return to his sentry to unsap: Constantly killing enemies while running from the front to the sentry is next to impossible.

Well there SHOULD be a drawback to it. If you just put stuff up and go on a killing spree it's more like you are different class entirely, with additional buildings bonus. And you don't have to actually kill anyone, just deal damage. If you are returning from the frontline to a sapped sentry, chances are you are going to at least encounter the bastard spy who sapped it in first place.

IMHO sappers should become timed. If the engi kills enough people to say.... keep his sentry 10 seconds alive, the sapper falls off. That should be very hard, but still reasonable. The spy can simply resap the sentry if no teammate comes for its rescue.

Good idea to think about, though it is unlikely for a spy to hang around for full 10 seconds to see if the sentry goes down - and this goes for every building as they all get repaired.

Better send that idea in, might as well get picked.

Meh... It involves copy and paste and fixing and stuff.

The repair-by-picking-up-boxes-idea sounds like a straight upgrade for me: It works the same way it works now, the engi simply saves himself the step of actually having to hit his sentry.

Well the drawback here would be, that you don't actually get any metal, so you can't build or upgrade stuff. I guess it would have to be some kind of an unlock "weapon"... but I like the shooting people idea more anyway.

[claws]

I don't think it'd lead to that much griefing really - the most common form of engie 'griefing'/noobiness seems to be putting single sg's outside your own spawn. I know it's a bit out there but I still think sg's have intrinsic balance problems.

I've been thinking a lot about power's idea, and while it's clever, I'm unconvinced. My main problem is that you're taking a lousy combat class and incentivising him to try and fight. It'd have to be some kind of overheal because sentry damage is usually done in fairly concentrated bursts, you'd want engineer damage to act as a 'shield' for the sentry. I'll think about it some more

[Power]

Repair + Overheal slowly makes more sense to me as well, though it's just a thin line between encouragement of offensive engineer and a near invincible sentry there...

And Engineer is not that bad as a combat class, it's just that no one ever leaves the sentry, because it breaks down the moment you go around the corner. While he has no class specific stuff, he has a good shotgun and a very good pistol, plus this unlock weapon could be modified to be basically anything.

[Junta]

I don't think it'd lead to that much griefing really - the most common form of engie 'griefing'/noobiness seems to be putting single sg's outside your own spawn. I know it's a bit out there but I still think sg's have intrinsic balance problems.

I've been thinking a lot about power's idea, and while it's clever, I'm unconvinced. My main problem is that you're taking a lousy combat class and incentivising him to try and fight. It'd have to be some kind of overheal because sentry damage is usually done in fairly concentrated bursts, you'd want engineer damage to act as a 'shield' for the sentry. I'll think about it some more

Right.. new kind of engineer needed then?

No SG.. but a slow firing rocket launcher or heavy duty shot gun. He can build TP and dispenser only.

Otherwise, moveable sentry guns seem possible to me (i.e positional change but not roaming).

[Power]

We'll call him "The gimp".

[claws]

One other thought is that part of the appeal of engie for some people is that he isn't a direct combat class - you can nurture your buildings and help the team without having to have leet fps skills. I definitely think that style of play needs to be accommodated in any changes they make.

[Junta]

One other thought is that part of the appeal of engie for some people is that he isn't a direct combat class - you can nurture your buildings and help the team without having to have leet fps skills. I definitely think that style of play needs to be accommodated in any changes they make.

*AND* call him the gimp.. as power suggested

[CruelCow]

The old style isn't going to go away. It would allow "actiony" players to liken up to the engi.

[claws]

Well if you reward people for attacking you'll have half a server going 'omg noob engie why are you sitting behind your sentry, god i HATE you noob'. I mean you get that already if you don't have a teleporter up with 0.00001 seconds

[egg]

I don't think it'd lead to that much griefing really - the most common form of engie 'griefing'/noobiness seems to be putting single sg's outside your own spawn. I know it's a bit out there but I still think sg's have intrinsic balance problems.

I've been thinking a lot about power's idea, and while it's clever, I'm unconvinced. My main problem is that you're taking a lousy combat class and incentivising him to try and fight. It'd have to be some kind of overheal because sentry damage is usually done in fairly concentrated bursts, you'd want engineer damage to act as a 'shield' for the sentry. I'll think about it some more

Right.. new kind of engineer needed then?

No SG.. but a slow firing rocket launcher or heavy duty shot gun. He can build TP and dispenser only.

Otherwise, moveable sentry guns seem possible to me (i.e positional change but not roaming).

Pretty sure my post a few pages back said this.... give him rockets, shotty, and spade

[discordance]

I like the engy as is now, Its certainly got more annoying playing as him and losing your sentry to kritzed demos but if i'm playing engy its because I want a relaxing round (comparatively). If I want to be offensive i'll choose an offensive class.

[Hzza]

If I want to be offensive i'll choose deadringer spy, huntsman sniper or sandman scout

Did I misinterpret your use of the word "offensive"? .