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[Teatime]

Will depend a lot on what happens to the spy after the stab. Does the Razorback damage him or will the knife simple become unusable for a certain amount of time. Also I wonder if the spy will see the razorback (though I guess the sniper will carry it on his back)?

What I find interesting is the introduction of once-in-a-lifetime weapons/items. Though the update doesn't quite day if the sniper gets the razorback back when he respawns (which I assume) or if he has lost it for the rest of the map (which could be tracked via steam cloud, I guess).

[Karthus]

The sniper is now a hunter (bow) with tankspec (shield). And if you dont know, what the f*ck Im talking about, nevermind. That update is gonna be SO FREAKIN AWESOME!!!

[Brahms]

Eh? What? Isn't this like giving engies goggles that can see cloaked spies? What does it replace? The Kukri? The SMG?

If you can see it before you stab it'll be worthless, but nice for inexperienced snipers to use. Doesn't exactly help you play the class in a different way though.

[Vegan]

If you can see it before you stab it'll be worthless

i don't think it'll be worthless, if a spy knows he'll lose his knife ability for a few seconds he may think twice about attacking you to remove your razorback or to shoot you and blow his disguise and get shot by someone else.

I wonder if you return to spawn and go to one of the lockers to restock it'll re-appear like the sandman does.

[Terror]

What a joke. They've made an item that specifically targets one class. It's not like they gave you an item that has a few uses, and you can use it to combat a class (like the scout stunning Übers, or Natacha slowing scouts), but this is actually an "anti-spy" weapon.

Is the spy going to receive an "anti-pyro" fireproof suit and anti-rubber acid (to remove the pyro's armour, of course)?

I wouldn't want that, and I think this is a bit of a joke, seeing as the spy is the only class which can backstab. I know that snipers get trouble from spies, but not any more than heavies or medics. This has really annoyed me and I can see this getting nerfed quickly (just like the sandman).

[mark]

Yes!
What Terror said, this is aimed, not at a group of players (fast players, players with no awareness) but ONE class, which is a terrible idea because that one class was the only hard counter a good sniper had, other than another skilled sniper.

[Teatime]

that one class was the only hard counter a good sniper had, other than another skilled sniper.

In terms of class balance you could say "Exactly".

But so far I haven't decided what to think of it. We will see how it plays in the field.

[Chaos]

As a sniper.. I cant say Im thrilled with this...

WORST THING TO HAPPEN TO TF2 SINCE THE SANDMAN

[Zarf]

As a sniper.. I cant say Im thrilled with this...

WORST THING TO HAPPEN TO TF2 SINCE THE SANDMAN

Wait until you actually see it work in practice, update weapons are always far less imba than they first seem. Since you don't even have to give up a weapon for it it's not going to be that powerful at all - like i said, i expect the knife will still take off half your hp, leaving you as a one shot kill for the magnum.
Spy vs Sniper was completely unwinnable before, this at least gives the sniper a chance.

Worst case scenario, spy goes in to deal with a problem sniper - stabs away the shield, immediately cloaks. Sniper, now feeling paranoid and vulnerable runs back to base to rearm, thus achieving the spy's objective. If he runs back you lie in wait, if he stays still you get him in a couple of seconds. He'll probably throw out a warning on voice and have all the other snipers jumping at shadows and too busy running about with the Kukri to actually shoot anyone, or pull other classes away from the fight to try and chase you down.

If anything, it's made it even easier for a spy to fuck with the other team, especially since if they feel protected, snipers are more likely to stand in accessible positions away from turrets and their teammates - which were the only obstacle to killing a sniper before.

[Brahms]

I'm not really worried about it imbalancing things (because let's be frank, killing snipers isn't generally an extremely helpful thing for a spy to be doing, if the sniper is good then maybe, but generally I like my spies to be killing enemy medics before they can build up charge.)

I just feel bad for the snipers, because it's such a weak unlock.

Plus let's not forget, spies normally only get one stab attempt ANYWAY, it's not like stopping them from stabbing for a while is a big deal.

[Karthus]

What a joke. They've made an item that specifically targets one class. It's not like they gave you an item that has a few uses, and you can use it to combat a class (like the scout stunning Übers, or Natacha slowing scouts), but this is actually an "anti-spy" weapon.

Is the spy going to receive an "anti-pyro" fireproof suit and anti-rubber acid (to remove the pyro's armour, of course)?

I wouldn't want that, and I think this is a bit of a joke, seeing as the spy is the only class which can backstab. I know that snipers get trouble from spies, but not any more than heavies or medics. This has really annoyed me and I can see this getting nerfed quickly (just like the sandman).

Every classupdate was against the spy so far (and I dont really mean the weapons, but all achievements from every class pack had some "kill XX spys cloaked/stealingyourintel/disguised/sapping"-achievements) now its a weapon, Im pretty sure the spy will get a nuclear device or a rocket launcher with 12 missiles.

[Gonk]

lol, MINT I HATE SPIES
there should be a spinning backslap from the sniper for when the (sneaky bastard) spy stabs the shield

[mark]

Whenever I see you from now on Gonk, I am shooting you with the magnum.

[Hzza]

Ok, sneaky sneaky Valve, theres rumors here and on the Steam forums that there is a simultanious sniper/spy update. Aparently, behind the sniper on the Razorback page a cloaked spy apeared behind the sniper, then disapeared, then came back. Obviously, a bit of speculation goes a long way and this is by no means confirmed by any reliable sources, but how would we feel about a dual update?

[mark]

I wonder if they're going to do this with the rest of the updates, a lot of fighting between two classes, forgetting all other classes.