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« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2009, 06:18:50 PM »

Stats are interesting and add to personal motivation to get on and play. Certainly do not measure the best player as I would not claim to be anything other than average. What defines the best player? Interesting question. Most skillful player would be someone like (spit) Cheez who's good at every class.
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« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2009, 07:12:30 PM »

I did this in excel ages ago, lol.

Felt too sad to post about it, lol.



I think Teatime's rankings are not flawed at all and they represent exactly how much you contribute to the team and your skill as a player...  :Smiley

While I understand this comment is probably tongue-in-cheek and slightly sarcastic, a lot of people might think that this is true.

While it's probably more fair than the standard HLstats ranking, it still doesn't take into account team players Vs kill whores. You can have a really good scout, who deals a lot of damage to the other team (and adds to the "rage factor", which I honestly think helps win(people will then chase the scout away from the point)) but fails to kill (or even get assists if their team isn't close) who will get a low PPD, compared to a (I hope this doesn't offend anyone, this is purely theoretical) "spam pyro" who just suicides into the enemy team repeatedly, while gaining a few kills and a shitload of assists. You could argue that the pyro is just as useful to the team, but I really think that it's not a fair representation of skill, and I really don't think there is any numerical way to show or calculate "skill".
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« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2009, 07:25:15 PM »

I really don't think there is any numerical way to show or calculate "skill".

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« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2009, 07:54:22 PM »

And just to show how fleeting success can be: An updated list!

Alternative Ranking

Sorry, Cheez. Easy come, easy go  Shocked

And yes, stats like these never do justice to all you unsung heroes, who heal, harass enemies, defend with your lives and die pushing the cart. But we know who you are and we think of you highly ... let me rephrase that: think of you from up high of the tower of rank  Grin

(I'm allowed to joke: After all, my rank is a lie)
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« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2009, 08:06:37 PM »

Killer hacks.
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« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2009, 08:52:03 PM »

@Claws:
What is the interface between TF2 and HLStats? I assume the events are registered by TF2 and than passed on towards HLStats, right?

Indeed they are. HLStats is basically registered as a logging host in the game server. So everything that happens (which in part is the stuff you see in console when playing) gets sent there, is parsed into actions, which are pushed into an SQL table. From those recorded actions, your points are calculated.

Thank you for giving me an incentive to set up our own HSX server (or, at least, log parser), then I -- or somebody else of the web-inclined clannies -- can cook up a PHP script that generates a PPM statistic. I really like the idea. 
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« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2009, 10:30:26 PM »

I would love to have an sql dump of that events table, but I suppose that's not readily available Smiley
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« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2009, 11:17:16 PM »

Not from the Premium thingy we're using for the site stats. But I haven't seen that interface yet anyway, so I might be mistaken. John or Dave might be able to comment.
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« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2009, 01:52:57 PM »

I would love to have an sql dump of that events table, but I suppose that's not readily available Smiley
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