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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2008, 01:33:03 PM »

This pretty much sums it up: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/11/14/
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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2008, 01:39:35 PM »

Gold buying is OK IMHO (buying, not spamming advertisement for it!). Some people invest more money, some invest more time.
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised when Blizzard started selling gold soon: They could make easy money, gold sellers would be out of business and stop advertising and the gamers could buy from a trusted source. Plus it would fit perfectly in the current "monetizing" (their word, not mine!) scheme.
Later on this could be expanded into character selling, which is afaik pretty risky for the buyer atm and a 1% fee would cash in quite some money! (Accounts get sold for several hundred bucks! http://www.charz.com/buy)

And yes, I agree that most mmos are second jobs you got to pay for  Wink
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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2008, 01:44:42 PM »

Someone told me that WoW was like digital crack.......not something I particularly want to be associated with seeing as I've just got off the real thing Wink
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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2008, 02:18:02 PM »

Okay, to extend the point; who here thinks that buying (or "cheating") and paying for a levelled RPG character (or, say, if Call of Duty had locks that you needed playtime, paying for someone to unlock them and/or give you an account with them unlocked) is bad?

Going further, what about paying for gear or unlockables that might take months of playtime to get?

There are problems making an entire game around the small gains of loot, gear and XP like World of Warcraft (which drip feeds you "success", and never makes you fail - it's a long drip of small bits of basic emotion). Sometimes people do want to just play with their friends and defeat monsters (thus the pain getting to a high level is a problem) and others just don't enjoy the lower levels, or whatever. Segregating so much content by time involved in the game can be problematic sometimes (it's the minority though) so to me, it's fine, but to others, it can be a real problem Wink

Eve Online is perhaps a more extreme example, where as even though skills level offline, it is simply the amount of time you've been in the game which dictate how powerful you are (and also, the acquisition of wealth, and thus the ability to buy more powerful ships, is at the core of the game world, so buying gold in it could possibly be considered unfair, since the world can be very PvP based).

Certainly, r007, that if everyone cheats in a standard game, yes, generally it is boring after a while. The main reason people cheat in otherwise equal games like CS:S or TF2 would be to be godlike when usually they are unskilled - I don't know the psychology behind it all but basically, it could be anything from just wanting to feel superior or being some kind of megalomaniac kind of person who gets a kick out of being invincible/godlike.
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« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2008, 03:12:56 PM »

Okay, to extend the point; who here thinks that buying (or "cheating") and paying for a levelled RPG character (or, say, if Call of Duty had locks that you needed playtime, paying for someone to unlock them and/or give you an account with them unlocked) is bad?

Fine IMHO. The game anyway has to make sure, only people of the same level play against each other. Additionally, in my experience people who buy accounts don't have enough experience to keep up with the people who got it the "honest" way. http://www.thenoobcomic.com/index.php?pos=234
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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2008, 05:19:33 PM »

I really hate unlockable weapons etc in games like Battlefield 2142, focus becomes less on the skill of the player, and more on who has spent the most time in game. I don't like to be artificially limited until i've spent x number of hours playing.

Same with the achievement unlocks in TF2, After WoW i just have no patience for putting up with this crap any more.
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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2008, 06:06:12 PM »

Ahh, CruelCow, but I implied it might not just be new inexperienced players. What about those who are simply board of doing it, but want a leg up into the realm of PvP, or just want to get another high leveled class to play with friends.

I agree on the unlockables part Zarf. Luckily Call of Duty 4 had some half decent weapons unlocked at the start else I'd have barely bothered to play the multiplayer.
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