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« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2010, 04:01:14 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2010, 04:09:27 PM »

My sister when to uni at Bristol, got a Physics degree and has never worked since

Quite surprising considering physics isn't as competitive to find a job as the other sciences (generally) and the fact that there are jobs out there and physics isn't dying, science is a very strong area, unlike for example the arts.
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« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2010, 04:14:35 PM »

unlike for example the arts.

its not been too hard for me yet

having seen plenty of protests now i can say that 90% of those there don't actually care about their cause, its just a laugh.

maybe the extra cost will get some people to take it more seriously? it might not have done for me but i know plenty of people who would have been forced out after retaking the first year more than once and changing subjects all over the place.
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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2010, 12:29:56 AM »

I hate political threads *sigh* ....

BUT while I'm here, I don't agree with tuition fee hikes for the following reasons:

1) Starting your life with debt (regardless of when or how you pay) sucks.
It sucks, but it's not real debt - it's just another level of income tax. There's no burden of what will happen if you lose your Job or are unable to work. Most students will have a student loan of some amount anyway to help with living costs.

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2) People will now be more wary about taking slightly higher paid (but important) jobs as stepping stones to the real higher paid jobs. We'll suffer gaps in industry etc (regardless of the mathematical point that you make Zarf).
I've no idea why this would be the case,  they'll be paying £540 LESS every year, which is bound to make things easier (It's like a free months rent)

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4) I don't agree with student riots, but they have a point in regards to political promises being broken. I'm angry and I didn't even vote Lib Dem!

A manifesto promise can only be nailed down If the Lib Dems had actually won the election. As it is they're very much the minority partner in a coalition and have to compromise. It's surprising just how many of their policies they were able to push through - notably getting the personal allowance of Income Tax raised up to £10000, which is an extra £700 or so disposable income in the pockets of most people. There was no promise in the coalition agreement about Tuition Fees.

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3) There is disparity about fees in Scotland and Wales, it comes down to fairness and England being more expensive is not fair.

5) I also hate the fact that the orignal fee legislation for England was forced through by *Scottish* MP's, who should have abstained in the vote as it had no effect on their own constituents. Infuriating and unfair given that they'd just voted for a different fee system in their own country.

6) I'd prefer to see higher taxes and less burden on students, but that's just me. Saying that education is important and then undermining everything seems crappy to me!
I totally agree, and as I said in my original post I'd be able to understand and supportive If the protests were trying to return us to a zero tuition fee system, but as things are Protesters are only protesting changes which will ultimately make things easier on themselves for the first 15 or so years after Uni.
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« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2010, 01:24:32 AM »

I agree with a fair bit of what you say Zarf, but to put my 2p in:

It sucks, but it's not real debt - it's just another level of income tax.
It's still debt, no matter how its redefined. It's also likely to disincentivise those looking to retrain, which I'm concerned about.

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A manifesto promise can only be nailed down If the Lib Dems had actually won the election. As it is they're very much the minority partner in a coalition and have to compromise.
As it is, their stance seems pretty hard to defend. The argument of 'ah, we didn't /really/ promise it, we had our fingers crossed' is utterly bizarre. They seem to come out with a different justification every other day, Vince Cable is hard to take seriously at the best of times, and for a party that tried (ludicrously) to sell itself as the new/young/clean/not like the other party, it all looks a bit headless.
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« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2010, 02:19:41 AM »

I agree with a fair bit of what you say Zarf, but to put my 2p in:

It sucks, but it's not real debt - it's just another level of income tax.
It's still debt, no matter how its redefined. It's also likely to disincentivise those looking to retrain, which I'm concerned about.

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A manifesto promise can only be nailed down If the Lib Dems had actually won the election. As it is they're very much the minority partner in a coalition and have to compromise.
As it is, their stance seems pretty hard to defend. The argument of 'ah, we didn't /really/ promise it, we had our fingers crossed' is utterly bizarre. They seem to come out with a different justification every other day, Vince Cable is hard to take seriously at the best of times, and for a party that tried (ludicrously) to sell itself as the new/young/clean/not like the other party, it all looks a bit headless.

Yeah, they really aren't handling it very well politically, but it's absurd to think that despite us (yes, I was one of them) only voting 57 Lib dems into office they are going to be running the show. The Conservatives would never have agreed to a coalition under those terms and we'd have had to go through another Election. To be honest I'm glad the Lib Dems aren't in total control as I didn't like their stance on Nuclear Power and a few other policies anyway.

It's the whole politics of the system that's really annoying me, with the Media and Labour MP's keeping people ignorant of the full details in order to incite more drama. Especially all these people pledging to vote Labour over the issue, when It was Labour who introduced, and then raised Tuition fees in the first place.
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« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2010, 05:24:26 PM »

Bloody students don't know when they've got it good. They should come and stay with me and experience real hardship and misery...or in John's case, real hardons and buggery Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2010, 08:30:51 AM »

real hardons and buggery Smiley
BTW.. do I still have to pay for those items Nick? And does it *really* take a 3 year residential course? Wink
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