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[Berath]

I think it's probably worth watching Dota 2 anyway, anything that works there we may see in TF2

[Mr Chug]

Theres no reason to not implement it into their soloQ system, it reduces pressure and rage in the lobby

Problem is that there's no way to force a role on someone in LoL - if this was ever released I would bet a week of non-stop Teemo play that the support queue would be the shortest by far, and that people would use this as a shortcut into lobby then promptly turn around and argue "queue system is for meta n00bs, going duo mid h4h4h4h4".

As CC pointed out, Highlander queue could be implemented in such a way that queueing as a pyro locks you into a personal class limit of 1 pyro (maybe add a trade system). For bonus points, they could add a queue tracker for each class that allows you to switch mid-queue to get into game faster at the cost of off-classing.

[Karthus]

Yeah both games share quite some traits. Theyre eventually going to implement TF2s coaching system in a way, and I can see Dotas leveling up system with the guaranteed item drops being used for the competitive lobbysystem. I feel like TF2 used to be their playground for new business models and innovative ways to play the game, but it has shifted over to Dota since that game has surpassed TF2 in playercount a long time ago.

Problem is that there's no way to force a role on someone in LoL - if this was ever released I would bet a week of non-stop Teemo play that the support queue would be the shortest by far, and that people would use this as a shortcut into lobby then promptly turn around and argue "queue system is for meta n00bs, going duo mid h4h4h4h4".

Then make that a reportable offense. Its already against the rules to hardrandom in a ranked game and playing a champion in an unfitting role, they ban you for that. With their way of promoting every champion with their spotlight video and calling them by their role straight out of the gate I dont see a problem enforcing that in their queuesystem. It all comes down to what they wanna do I dont buy their way of saying they dont want the meta to stay this way, everything theyre doing to promote the game is the exact opposite of that, theyre enforcing a way the game is meant to be played and it wont change unless they change their methods of character design and game promotion.

They eventually do the same thing in WoW, if you queue up as a tank and then say youre going DPS or Heal will get you a ban. Sure a game like LoL is prone to trolls but its a longterminvestment and I can see it ironing out over time.

[DeadlyAvenger]

I think I'd prefer to see something more similar to how you ladder with map-choices in SC2. You can 'veto' a number of maps and not have to play them in ladder games.

Tickboxes to select the roles you want to play (or not!) and then it matches based on having one of each role on the team - if they want to give a bit more freedom then don't force them into those roles, or if it's just as bad as the current system then you could force them to play the role they were queued up for.

I see what you mean about the roles thing and forced meta - it's easier in some games where each role is literally predetermined by the developer (think TF2 classes with map-types to LoL champion roles and Meta) but in LoL, while most champions have a clear preference, some you can play in other roles.

I feel like TF2 used to be their playground for new business models and innovative ways to play the game

It was - I can't remember where exactly but I think it was a quote from the dev team?!

[Rct33]

Dont see servers being an issue, they use official ones for Dota 2 aswell and that game has around 500k players during peaktimes.

Not sure if it was a mistype but to clarify it's 300k
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

Problem is that there's no way to force a role on someone in LoL - if this was ever released I would bet a week of non-stop Teemo play that the support queue would be the shortest by far, and that people would use this as a shortcut into lobby then promptly turn around and argue "queue system is for meta n00bs, going duo mid h4h4h4h4".

Then make that a reportable offense. Its already against the rules to hardrandom in a ranked game and playing a champion in an unfitting role, they ban you for that. With their way of promoting every champion with their spotlight video and calling them by their role straight out of the gate I dont see a problem enforcing that in their queuesystem. It all comes down to what they wanna do I dont buy their way of saying they dont want the meta to stay this way, everything theyre doing to promote the game is the exact opposite of that, theyre enforcing a way the game is meant to be played and it wont change unless they change their methods of character design and game promotion.

They eventually do the same thing in WoW, if you queue up as a tank and then say youre going DPS or Heal will get you a ban. Sure a game like LoL is prone to trolls but its a longterminvestment and I can see it ironing out over time.

There is no specific rule which says that hard randoming a champion is reportable, but riots stance is roughly if you do not try your best to win you can get reported in ranked, rarely is there a legitimate reason for randoming a champ and so it is pretty much reportable. The problem is with the current state of the game the stale meta is basically endorsed by riot and it makes no sense for example when you have players introduced in the lcs before a game as a 'top laner' and they then play 1 vs 2 bot. This of course does not happen with 99.9% of lol games but it is just an example how they seem to be stuck to such an idea. Then you enter a lobby with no designated role every game (unless on a ranked 5's team) and you have to negotiate a role with 4/3 people you don't know for a heavily favoured role, it isn't the best way to do it and it all stems from a forced lane/role meta. The option to choose a role would be interesting, it would fix alot of issues pre game with the only issue being what chug pointed out, but of course there is the tribunal which i'm sure would punish such players who don't abide by their pre-selected role so maybe it could work.

[discordance]

Have we all forgotten that the L4D and TF2 coop lobbies are absolute garbage that can never find servers? Lobbies would be nice but valves track record is a series of car crashes. They've probably stabilised a bit over time but they are still the worst experience of playing those games.

[DeadlyAvenger]

Have we all forgotten that the L4D and TF2 coop lobbies are absolute garbage that can never find servers? Lobbies would be nice but valves track record is a series of car crashes. They've probably stabilised a bit over time but they are still the worst experience of playing those games.

Yeah - I agree with that, but in other games it works fine... also - we found a server with no problems on Sunday for L4D2, I guess they've sorted their shit out now combined with much fewer players.

[Karthus]

There is no specific rule which says that hard randoming a champion is reportable, but riots stance is roughly if you do not try your best to win you can get reported in ranked, rarely is there a legitimate reason for randoming a champ and so it is pretty much reportable.

Too bad that several riot employees have banned people out of their soloQ games for hardrandoming and been defending it then.

[ISPY]

I LIKE TRAINS

[Rct33]

There is no specific rule which says that hard randoming a champion is reportable, but riots stance is roughly if you do not try your best to win you can get reported in ranked, rarely is there a legitimate reason for randoming a champ and so it is pretty much reportable.

Too bad that several riot employees have banned people out of their soloQ games for hardrandoming and been defending it then.

Riot does not personally ban people except in rare circumstances, I do a recall a suspension that happened after someone randomed and picked smite when they already had a jungler. Someone from riot was in the lobby on their team and due to them having one of the worst tribunal records they suspended him or something. If a riot employee comes across a player who randomed they cannot just ban them, except from those very specific and rare cases as mentioned above, they have to report them and the tribunal will judge their case.

[Karthus]

There is no specific rule which says that hard randoming a champion is reportable, but riots stance is roughly if you do not try your best to win you can get reported in ranked, rarely is there a legitimate reason for randoming a champ and so it is pretty much reportable.

Too bad that several riot employees have banned people out of their soloQ games for hardrandoming and been defending it then.

Riot does not personally ban people except in rare circumstances, I do a recall a suspension that happened after someone randomed and picked smite when they already had a jungler. Someone from riot was in the lobby on their team and due to them having one of the worst tribunal records they suspended him or something. If a riot employee comes across a player who randomed they cannot just ban them, except from those very specific and rare cases as mentioned above, they have to report them and the tribunal will judge their case.

But even that is actually enforcing a strict metagame. Why cant he jungle aswell, why cant he have smite aswell? Theres alot of possible strats revolving around that but since people are entitled to be the only jungler, you get banned for it. That just proves my point of what Riot is doing and how they are contradicting themselves when they say they want to allow for metachanges.

Also the case I was referring to were I think two instances where they banned a player out of their lobby for picking a bruiser as a support, wasnt the smite jungler thing with Pendragon that youre thinking off. Wish I could find the screencaps of that but that was a while ago.

[Rct33]

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2370950

That is the pendragon thread, can't speak for the other one.

[Karthus]

Ya I know the Pendragon case like I said, but that wasnt the one I was referring to. That wasnt the only time a Riot employee -debatably- abused his powers to enforce a faulty ruleset. Its just dumb.

[Power]

I was wondering when arguing was going to start. Turns out it starts when LoL gets involved. But look at the first page, what harmony!

[Berath]

It's these MOBA games. They have that effect.