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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2012, 12:26:46 AM »

Give me a rifle, a map and a gun.  I'll forfeit heaven, and it wont cost millions of pounds.

http://ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-visible-problem-with-invisible-children/

Not saying I agree... but fair points.

TBH it would be better than funding the Ugandan army, I'd personally donate to that cause, hell I'd even help out if I could.
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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2012, 12:47:50 AM »

I've seen enough on various websites to call anyone donating to invisible children a fool but does anyone have some examples of legitimate aid agencies specific to the region that I can beat into skulls when this gets dredged up.
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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2012, 01:10:02 AM »

I've seen enough on various websites to call anyone donating to invisible children a fool but does anyone have some examples of legitimate aid agencies specific to the region that I can beat into skulls when this gets dredged up.

the e90 assassinate a prick foundation.
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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2012, 01:13:01 AM »

i dont think hes registered to accept donations yet.
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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2012, 01:46:21 AM »

i dont think hes registered to accept donations yet.

send them to savethespycrab@hotmail.co.uk :3
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2012, 06:12:28 PM »

Watched it, and its a great idea!
The guy is really trying to change the world, and I admire his drive and commitment.

Ive lived in Africa for 4 years myself, and Ive seen/met a few ex-warchildren.
Great movement, I really hope it will catch on. This guy deserves to be stopped!
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2012, 08:13:36 PM »

oooh donations
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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2012, 08:54:03 PM »

The Invisible Children rebuttal
http://s3.amazonaws.com/www.invisiblechildren.com/critiques.html

My thought's are that if you put your head above the internet parapet on this sort of scale you are going to get trolled to death.
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2012, 09:01:25 PM »

they've not really answered one of the main criticisms which was their crappy spending. They've put up a pie chart of what they spend money on but that was already public knowledge. The actual criticism was on average US charities manage to spend 90% of their money on actual aid. The pie chart might fool simpletons but 10% of what they earn being spent on tshirts and clothing is pretty shitty and only 37% on aid (and i'd bet that year has their highest aid %). Along with generally everything else. I'd like to see a side by side comparison with someone like the red cross.
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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2012, 02:38:11 PM »

they've not really answered one of the main criticisms which was their crappy spending. They've put up a pie chart of what they spend money on but that was already public knowledge. The actual criticism was on average US charities manage to spend 90% of their money on actual aid. The pie chart might fool simpletons but 10% of what they earn being spent on tshirts and clothing is pretty shitty and only 37% on aid (and i'd bet that year has their highest aid %). Along with generally everything else. I'd like to see a side by side comparison with someone like the red cross.

I thpught they rebuked that quite well, he states that around 80% goes towards the three main ambitions of the cause, which isn't simply projects in Uganda.

A large part of their cause is obviously, getting the word out, as the very premise of the campaign is to make this man famous. Add up the following pieces then which I feel can be justified for this:

- CA programmes: 37.14%

- Awareness Programmes:  25.98%

- Awareness Products: 9.56%

- Media and Film production: 7.87%

This leaves you with a rough spending of just over 80% of all revenue. Obviously as the Management and fundraising panels have no greater breakdown this can be left out, but either way, there will undoubtedly be large costs involved with both aspects (especially as this is largely a US based organisation where costs will be far higher than if they were located in say Africa).

Even if 50% of this final 20% of all revenue was being spent badly, end of the day you have somewhere close to the 90% which you are saying for the Red Cross.

This still doesn't drive me to donate, but it somewhat answers the problems that people were throwing at them. The very reason why this campaign has gotten so incredibly large is directly because of the Awareness spending and Media production which accounts for the 43.5% of their spending, atop the 37% spent on direct work.
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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2012, 03:02:28 PM »

9.5% being spent on "awareness" products ie stuff with the name on for hipsters, is pretty wasteful. 7.9% of a multi-million dollar budget also going on film production is pretty obscene. I kindof disagree with awareness programs as well but I will admit the only way to get douchebags to donate is to have it trend on facebook. I don't like all this money being gathered in the name of helping africans and then, only sending a small part on actually helping them, pretty sure there are charities more committed to efficiency and actually helping than trying to get hipsters to care and give a few $s.
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« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2012, 03:27:36 PM »

9.5% being spent on "awareness" products ie stuff with the name on for hipsters, is pretty wasteful. 7.9% of a multi-million dollar budget also going on film production is pretty obscene. I kindof disagree with awareness programs as well but I will admit the only way to get douchebags to donate is to have it trend on facebook. I don't like all this money being gathered in the name of helping africans and then, only sending a small part on actually helping them, pretty sure there are charities more committed to efficiency and actually helping than trying to get hipsters to care and give a few $s.

I agree, but as they said, this charity isn't simply about helping Africa with community based project, in fact it's only a third.

This charity is directly about promotion of image, therefore I see the money on what you called obscene as 'relevant to their cause'.

I'm not necessarily supporting them here, but I don't necessarily see anything wrong with their spending. Their actual tactics in Africa I do, but that's just down to poor representation in the video which made it look explicitly look like a Ugandan issue.
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« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2012, 12:47:57 AM »

ie stuff with the name on for hipsters
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