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[Karthus]

It is going to be a lonely forum if everyone who disagrees with you suddenly leaves.

Allthough I dont like to join this discussion at all, I have to agree with burny there. And thats the last thing Ill say about that, Ill see you in other threads (hopefully)

[Chaos]

It's getting silly. CV was doing the exact same thing that hex was, they're just on opposite sides of the fence. Hex feels strongly for homeopathy, CV felt strongly against it and fears it'll do harm in one way or another. You've handled this really badly.
I don't wanna get banned but I do wanna point out the quite shocking abuse of power being displayed. I guess this is my last post, I wish WDG well and I have nothing but love for you all, but I wont be bullied into silence because an admin is porking another one. It's just wrong.

You asked him to respect the opinions of others, yet you're more than happy to sit at your keyboard and ban people that oppose hex? I call bullshit on that.

My belief = Abuse of power is a bad thing, opinions?

Homeopathy is what it is.
I got very little against homeopathy, I just really hate the way I get it shoved down my throat like it's a religion. That is how most "believers" talk about it in my eyes. For all intents and purposes, it is a religion, it has a good personal effect on those that believe in it but little scientific merit. The reason that most DRs don't mind their patients taking it is becuase there's so little of anything in those little round balls you take. I know this to be true because I heard it from my own DRs mouth.

IMO: Scam to bleed the ill and ill informed out of their hard earned money.

[Allytk]

I dont care either way for Homeopathy. I personally think its a load of money spinning BS, but thats me. If any one wants to use their money to buy them and belive they are doing good so be it. Each to their own and all that jazz. Honest opinion is that some herbal remedys do work (tiger balm for instance was a god to my ankle when i was still skating).

[Zarf]

Not a believer myself. Can't see how it's any different to tap water. Placebo effect yadda yadda. There's a guy on another forum I frequent with an unshakable faith in God after a sprained groin muscle healed quicker than expected, guess if he had happened to try Homeopathic medicine or Crystals or magnets his faith would have landed there instead.
You have to wonder how many fringe medicine treatments fail for every apparent success.  If Steve Jobs had had his pancreatic cancer treated upon diagnosis instead of trying alternative methods for 9 months until things got so bad that he had to have a major procedure he might still be alive.

[hawt!]

After reading all of these responses (and doing a little reading around of my own) it did change my opinions on the matter, not that I would ever resort to alternative medicines anyway for pretty much the same reasons Zarf said about Steve Jobs.

My viewpoint still stands about why people are getting so defensive over their use (not defensive over whether or not they actually work) if all scientific evidence is showing us that it is merely a placebo effect. It's a placebo effect, however you want to dress it up. If I told an otherwise medically ignorant person - picture someone distanced from contemporary understanding of medicine - that rubbing a baloon on your jumper and attaching it to your head via the static every day was a surefire way to heal a broken leg faster, I'd be willing to bet that due to the placebo effect it would actually work.

Refusing to accept fact for fear that the placebo effect of a treatment will be removed seems pretty bizarre to me, but I also acknowledge that other people's doing so does not effect me in the slightest.

If a forum's here for discussion (which intrinsically they are), I don't see why discussions such as this aren't approached by both party in the same way, as it benefits people both ways. Using the example of religion, a lot of people actively seek debate over the credibility of their faith, in order to truly test whether or not they believe such a story on the basis of information that has been made available to them. If they are convinced otherwise, they have gained a new perspective on life. If not, they feel far more confident in what they already believed.

I don't really see how anything negative can arise from this. If you believe in something, you should really be prepared to prove that such a belief in your eyes is not unfounded.

End of the day, as Tommy's summarised, it's about Hzza and the missus's personal health, may they be free to do what they wish, providing it has a positive outcome. Isn't that what the point of pretty much every idealogical war has been about?

Very disappointed really in a community that I have on-and-off frequented for something pushing 3 years now, where I have seen incredibly informed discussion on certain topics, be destroyed by what should have been a positive thread about one of its oldest members. Main reason I've pretty much kept coming back to this game has been this community as a whole, and quite frankly ridiculous arguments such as this is something I would never associate with any of you.

[LtMama]

I leave for 3 days and this shitstorm goes down *sigh*

Very disappointing

[LtMama]

Also

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81320601/

Placebo effect is a pretty amazing thing, that's not in doubt, but paying an arse load for it is very hmmmmmmm

[Lullaby]

not that expensive over here.. a little bit more than the usual medicine

[Chaos]

not that expensive over here.. a little bit more than the usual medicine

I'd still consider it expensive, medicine isn't exactly cheap (considering sizes of dosage, not development)

[Nineblade]

I  think that anything that doesn't conform to the aristotlian logic used in the West tends to be classed as the 'placebo effect'.
Personally, I have more faith in Chinese medicine than Western medicine but I respect everyones opinion. I would also try homeopathy before I would visit a GP but again that's my personal preference.

[Guilt]

I think that anything that doesn't conform to the aristotlian logic used in the West tends to be classed as the 'placebo effect'.

Western logic requires proof and evidence to verify any claims, non-conformance in this sense means it don't work.
 
Each to his own but for me the logic of the "west" keeps planes in the sky, sends men to the moon and its medicine saves millions of lives every year.

[Naftman]

I think that anything that doesn't conform to the aristotlian logic used in the West tends to be classed as the 'placebo effect'.

Western logic requires proof and evidence to verify any claims, non-conformance in this sense means it don't work.
 
Each to his own but for me the logic of the "west" keeps planes in the sky, sends men to the moon and its medicine saves millions of lives every year.

Most sensible thing I've read in a while.

[Berath]

Though it is really interesting, the overlap sometimes.

I dabbled in Buddism, though more the meditation/philosophical side, it seemed such a kindly way of being, and was amazed how much of it was echoed by cognitive behavioural therapy that we have in the West. I thought that was really funny.

[discordance]

I think that anything that doesn't conform to the aristotlian logic used in the West tends to be classed as the 'placebo effect'.

Western logic requires proof and evidence to verify any claims, non-conformance in this sense means it don't work.
 
Each to his own but for me the logic of the "west" keeps planes in the sky, sends men to the moon and its medicine saves millions of lives every year.

That it doesn't work chemically is not a value judgement though and complementary medicine is beneficial for psychological reasons, the placebo effect is nothing to be scoffed at. People only get worked up about homoeopathy because sadly the homoeopathy industry is more interested in ripping you off than the pharmaceutical industry who are greedy gits in their own right. If homoeopathy was appropriately priced for what it is it would probably draw a lot less criticism. That said humans also associate cost with greater potency/quality you can price two identical steaks differently and most people will say the more expensive one tastes better so perhaps the price in some way helps enhance the placebo effect and we can find justification in the pricing that way.

That and some people believe complementary medicine will save their life and refuse conventional treatment, its called complementary for a reason. It should only be used for non-serious medical problems or in conjunction with conventional treatment.

[Nineblade]

I think that anything that doesn't conform to the aristotlian logic used in the West tends to be classed as the 'placebo effect'.

 
Each to his own but for me the logic of the "west" keeps planes in the sky, sends men to the moon and its medicine saves millions of lives every year.

No disputing that...coupled with a huge amount of trial and error