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[Guilt]

Personally i'd rather have a single party in power that has the mandate to make its policies law, regardless of whether or not I agree. Other voting systems other than FPTP result in coalitions which attempt to please everyone but end up pleasing nobody.

I voted no for the above reason.

[Jebus]

Personally i'd rather have a single party in power that has the mandate to make its policies law, regardless of whether or not I agree. Other voting systems other than FPTP result in coalitions which attempt to please everyone but end up pleasing nobody.

I voted no for the above reason.

agreed

[LtMama]

I r disappoint. Especially as has been said that the No party are using this as evidence that the country doesn't want any change to the voting system. I think if they did another referendum (which probably won't happen again in our lifetime) for PR, i think it would be a completely different outcome. Shame =/

[Zarf]

Personally i'd rather have a single party in power that has the mandate to make its policies law, regardless of whether or not I agree. Other voting systems other than FPTP result in coalitions which attempt to please everyone but end up pleasing nobody.

I voted no for the above reason.

I present to you the rest of Europe, most of which uses PR and they haven't collapsed into chaos. In Ireland they've had two referendums on whether to switch away from STV and they've declined both times, so they seem to be happy enough with it. Voter Turnout is significantly higher in PR countries than in Pluralist ones.

Plus it's not like FPTP guarantees landslide victories anyway, One party usually scrapes into power and is just as constrained by a few of their own rebellious backbenchers as they would be by a coalition. I'm still of the opinion that the Lib Dem-Cons coalition is better than a Cons minority government would have been.

Whilst not everyone will be delighted with compromise, at least nobody is really unhappy. Having two ideologically opposite parties reversing each others policies every few years is incredibly inefficient.

[discordance]

can we have pr and send guilt and jebus to america?

I don't like the compromise pleases noone argument. Even if thats true its better to have everyone feeling ok and not great about the decision than 30% of the country ecstatic and 70% pissed off, it breeds contention. My first reaction is tory=twat. I can ignore that and treat them as human beings but plenty of people can't and you end up with the conservative hq being trashed. I'd much rather compromise and sit down and talk with conservatives than breed this kind of divisiveness.

And whats the point making your policies law for a 5 year term until the next party comes in and wastes a lot of money overturning everything you've done, and so on each and every term someone new comes to power. Its very wasteful and a bit mad.

[Junta]

Well, the vote is decided. Don't think people gave enough of a shit to change the system.

Pr doesn't cause chaos, but more coalition. I think this generally means too much compromise on important issues and either a failure to deliver manifesto or watering down of promises. If you vote someone in, they should have a chance at delivering policy without months of working out if they can or should or change it etc.

[Guilt]

can we have pr and send guilt and jebus to america?

If you had PR and voted to send me and Jebus to America you may end up in coalition with a group that wanted to keep me and/or Jebus here, resulting me and Jebus sat on a boat in the middle of the Atlantic and neither side happy  

I don't like the compromise pleases noone argument. Even if thats true its better to have everyone feeling ok and not great about the decision than 30% of the country ecstatic and 70% pissed off, it breeds contention. My first reaction is tory=twat. I can ignore that and treat them as human beings but plenty of people can't and you end up with the conservative hq being trashed. I'd much rather compromise and sit down and talk with conservatives than breed this kind of divisiveness.

It works both ways, I'm sure that plenty of Conservative weren't happy when Labour won with 35% of the vote, however I don't remember them throwing their toys out of the pram and trashing Eldon House.
If you actually tot up the voting percentages at the last election (C36.1% L29% LD23%) a Con-LibDem coalition polled 59% of the vote, is everyone in the other 41% feeling ok?
even if the last election was run as PR it would still likely be Con and Lib Dems would be in a power share.

And whats the point making your policies law for a 5 year term until the next party comes in and wastes a lot of money overturning everything you've done, and so on each and every term someone new comes to power. Its very wasteful and a bit mad.

Very true but unless every party has pretty much the same policies its always going to happen regardless of voting system.

[Officer Dibble]

can we have pr and send guilt and jebus to america?

If you had PR and voted to send me and Jebus to America you may end up in coalition with a group that wanted to keep me and/or Jebus here, resulting me and Jebus sat on a boat in the middle of the Atlantic and neither side happy 

I don't know, the Atlantic is a pretty big place. I think I could live with that compromise

[Zarf]

If you actually tot up the voting percentages at the last election (C36.1% L29% LD23%) a Con-LibDem coalition polled 59% of the vote, is everyone in the other 41% feeling ok?
even if the last election was run as PR it would still likely be Con and Lib Dems would be in a power share.]If you actually tot up the voting percentages at the last election (C36.1% L29% LD23%) a Con-LibDem coalition polled 59% of the vote, is everyone in the other 41% feeling ok?
even if the last election was run as PR it would still likely be Con and Lib Dems would be in a power share.

It would have been a far more equal partnership though, as Lib Dems could have viably formed a majority coalition with labour. They would have probably been able to at least ensure that no changes were made to the tuition fees system, the issue which has destroyed them.

[discordance]

the current coalition isn't working because there is no compromise, so labour voters and lib dem voters are unhappy, if it was under pr compromise would have to be made and i would seriously rather be meh thats ok about politics that angry about it. you can never please everyone so everyone feeling meh is the best you can hope for and i think a sign of a healthy democracy.

Don't you think its a bit mad for them to just go ahead and change what they like junta? I want them to spend months planning rather than just jump on national issues at a whim. Election promises would just become realistic rather than lies, we will campaign and work for this etc etc. There would be no guarantees but I think it would be a much fairer system.

Well, the vote is decided. Don't think people gave enough of a shit to change the system.

That interpretation is totally unfair as has been said in this thread the anti-fptp vote has been deliberately split so the no campaign could claim fptp is supported by the majority. Many anti-fptp groups advised their members to support the no campaign because AV is not good enough. The matter can only be settled fairly by making the referendum question "Should the government change the voting system? Yes or no?". That question would see a much higher voter turn out and a much stronger yes vote. Maybe not enough to win but it is a straight forward and fair question that would settle the overall issue.

[Junta]

The turnout for the vote tells me that people didn't give a shite tbh disco.

[discordance]

because plenty of people like me didn't bother because we didn't want av in the first place and our vote would be abused whichever way we voted. The result was already no before the vote so there was no point in turning up. Misusing the result just demonstrates the governments own self interest and unwillingness to put it to a fair vote and everyone who wanted change is going to see it that way. Defeat the change lobby in a fair vote and most of us will drop the issue. Or run away to australia to live with the cows.

EDIT: if I vote no my vote gets abused as i want fptp, if i don't vote people assume i don't care, if i vote yes i get av which i didn't want does suck and is a waste of money but all that was on offer. Politics is shit

[Junta]

because plenty of people like me didn't bother because we didn't want av in the first place and our vote would be abused whichever way we voted. The result was already no before the vote so there was no point in turning up. Misusing the result just demonstrates the governments own self interest and unwillingness to put it to a fair vote and everyone who wanted change is going to see it that way. Defeat the change lobby in a fair vote and most of us will drop the issue. Or run away to australia to live with the cows.

EDIT: if I vote no my vote gets abused as i want fptp, if i don't vote people assume i don't care, if i vote yes i get av which i didn't want does suck and is a waste of money but all that was on offer. Politics is shit

Sorry Disco, but I'll just say that I disagree.  It's like the voting campaign advert on the TV... if you want a say then have your vote. Don't bitch about the result if you couldn't be arsed to cast a vote. If you don't like the question, well, the coalition agreed to the question being raised in the referendum didn't they? Write to your MP and get a campaign started if you want to try and get a PR vote, I make the same prediction though. If you start a referendum on PR then the vote turnout will be low and people will probably think that there are better things to be getting on with in the political system.

Perhaps if more people had been bothered to turn out in the main election then we'd not be in this mess so far eh?

And before anyone thinks this response is nasty (it isn't)... <3 Disco (but not his tank driving)

[Finaldeath]

Meh, the tabloids were all against AV (have you seen some of the shit they posted in the most popular news papers in Britain?), pretty much all the politicians were, what did we expect was going to happen?

It's a small mercy we were allowed such a vote at all. There hasn't been another referendum on anything in my voting life! Politicians don't like people voting on things, it scares them apparently.

[claws]

Given the absurd reporting of AV and who it was being backed by, I think the turnout and 'yes' votes are actually remarkably high. I agree with Disco that the question wasn't well formed, but sadly the cost of asking 60 million people anything is that you don't end up with much room for nuance. Nevertheless, taking your ball home and refusing to vote as it's not /perfect/ doesn't seem that helpful : turnout alone is an indicator.

If you start a referendum on PR then the vote turnout will be low and people will probably think that there are better things to be getting on with in the political system.

But it's not a zero sum game, it's not like the people deciding interest rates are the ones investigating voting systems. I agree that a fair % of the population doesn't give a damn either way, sadly.