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[claws]

Just talking with Mode and it's got me wondering if, with the new weapons, any 'standard' loadouts are feasible (i.e no unlocks). Soldier has equaliser which is a pure upgrade, medic ubersaw, and so on. Pipe demoman still works pretty well, and Mode points out standard engie and possibly spy, though I'm still not convinced on that one. Thoughts?

[Lazzars]

vanilla scout still works, right?

[Chaos]

they all work without unlocks..

I use the spade most of the time, even in 6v6 scrims

[Captain Valentine]

Spy, Scout, Heavy and Demoman are more often vanilla for me than not.

[CruelCow]

Scout
Solly I wouldn't recommend, but while the equalizer is an upgrade, it's situational
Demo
Heavy
Engi
Medic only loses his übersaw, which is a VERY situational upgrade. (Note: I haven't tried the new übersaw)
Sniper
Spy

[Officer Dibble]

I think Scout and Demo are the only classes I play with vanilla weapons.

[Mr Chug]

I use the Ambassador for the lols of the headshots, but if I was taking it seriously I'd take the spy vanilla.

I want to love the new knife, but not being able to disguise is just too huge a handicap. The DR guys might have more luck with it.

[Captain Valentine]

I would also like to add sniper to my list. I think I have more SMG kills than rifle kills.

[scroggage]

All of 'em, I'd say.

[Captain Valentine]

I want to love the new knife, but not being able to disguise is just too huge a handicap. The DR guys might have more luck with it.

Was just playing on the ne server and that guy Uberskull was using it pretty effectively.

[Mr Chug]

The problem is that on chokepointy maps it's very hard to disguise and therefore get rolling. I had a good time with it on hightower (because it's very open) and Badwater defense (because it's easy to use height) but otherwise good players who watch their backs will spot the obvious spy before I can even get close. It's lethal against sentry nests as long as you make the first stab on the engie ok.

[Junta]

Vanilla Heavy works, as does Sniper, Medic, Soldier and Demo. Vanilla Scout is also OK.

Vanilla Engineer will take a beating, as will pyro and spy. The ability to have levels of teleporter and dispenser will be sorely missed, as will the move ability for buildings. Pyro will miss airblast too much, and spy, well, dead ringer certainly helps stay alive doesn't it.

[Brahms]

I think by vanilla people mean without unlocks, J. Not the original specced classes.

Vanilla solly is viable as all hell. Equaliser isn't as much of an upgrade as it seems.

[claws]

To clarify (don't post at 1am, kids) : in which scenarios is a pure no-unlocks scenario /better/? Obviously you can play any class without unlocks, but to me quite a few are now pure 'wins' (especially with some the polycount stuff). For example pure medic is fine, but I think most would switch to the ubersaw as soon as they have it. For which classes, if you had access to every released item, would you still choose the original stuff? The 2 or 3 classes I feel qualified to comment on I wouldn't play original.

I'm thinking of a new player to tf2 coming in with essentially nothing and wondering how much, if any, a disadvantage they're at.

Sniper is a good call.

[Hzza]

Scout. Vanilla scouts will 9 times out of 10 shit on a scout using unlocks.