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[hawt!]

I don't get the problem with pedobear :> it's a character desgined to mock paedophiles, in the same way the comedy figure of Alf Garnett was created in the 70's to mock racism / old british ways.

The joke was about them, not what they represented.

[Junta]

Where do I begin! Ok, let me see if I can explain:

You buy and register a domain and website. During this set-up process, you are made aware of the penalties that get imposed if you host or link to specific content unwanted by your host. Obviously (and quite rightly) the original subject matter of this thread is covered in detail within the T's & C's of the service.

The irony of the image is not lost on me, but, as always, I would not have the image on the forum. It is not your image that causes the problem, just the other images that could be posted in "retaliation". I've seen it before, post an image that is questionable but not explicitly wrong, then someone beats it with a more risky version. Then, before you know it... you do end up with something questionable and not right.

Putting aside my natural feelings of disgust as a parent, I was strict with the public area of the forum. I had to be because it was my name in the frame if the terms and conditions of services were breached. This wasn't a headache I needed or wanted (as a clan leader at the time) so I opted for strict moderation. This was never a personal vendetta against anyone in or around the clan.

I'm not saying that all you lot would be running off and posting filth without restraint, however, I can't control who signs up to the forum or who reads it. With that in mind, my moderation on this subject was always quite draconian. I stick to my guns.

If anyone can't see my point of view, then feel free to set up a website and invite the public to post there. You'll see some of my point of view eventually, especially when you're responsible for the site content!

Now that I've moved on, I urge you all to consider the impact to the current person who is responsible for this site. You have plenty of free speech here, but there are always limits and this is a TF2 clan website after all. If the site were about debate or discussion on such matters, then fair enough, but we're a fun and friendly gaming community after all.

I hope that explains my position on the subject - I don't judge Tommy and I understand what he says. I just worry about what other (as yet unknown) people might post in relation.



TLDR version: Don't want other people carrying on the joke too far. Subject matter doesn't fit in with the clan ethos or reason for being.

[Millicent Bystander]

I didn't find Pedobear funny when it was new.  It's now just old and tired. 

More funny pictures of cats please.

[Hzza]

I've never found the whole pedobear/Chris Hansen thing funny; I understand it and that, like hawt said, its satire but it just isn't funny to me.

Also, ffs Cat, let it go! Ignore, didn't read the OP properly, sorry d00d.

[PapaFade]

*snip*

This + infinity.

[DoomWolf]

I agree fully with Junta. As the NuB site owner I may be more or less strict than Junta was, but ultimately I have the final say as to what is or isn't allowed on the site. I'm the one that pays the bills and effectively it's my 'name above the door'. If anything is posted that attracts the attention of the webhost/police/lawyer/angry parent, I'm the one they come to demanding answers, as was Junta and is is the current person responsible for the WDG site.

[scroggage]

+1 to the "it's never been funny" camp. It's now at its least funny levels yet.

And well said, John.

[Zarf]

I don't get the problem with pedobear :> it's a character desgined to mock paedophiles, in the same way the comedy figure of Alf Garnett was created in the 70's to mock racism / old british ways.

The joke was about them, not what they represented.

Exactly, same deal with Al Murray nowadays.

[DeadlyAvenger]

A summary of my thoughts on it are as follows:

1. Our web-host has rules on this as follows:

6.2
The Customer shall NOT:-
6.2.5
use the Services to obtain or offer or permit to be offered for profit or otherwise any material, images, displays or services which are erotic or pornographic including but not limited to any other material, images, displays or services which are offensive, illegal or immoral or which is in breach of any legal obligation;

2. We have our forums rules, which are at the top of the forum boards list which clearly state the rules you generally agree to by posting here.

http://www.wdgclan.co.uk/index.php?topic=381.0

Specifically I think the following rules relate to this:

1 ) Do not post links to racist or illegal material. This includes pornography. We don't need or want these kinds of links on our forum. The same goes for pictures or text based content that can be placed directly in our gallery or forum. The same comments apply to any private messages sent via the forum. This also applies to sexually explicit material or content with strong adult themes.

7 ) We have [some] taste here. Not much, but lets not get too bad please - keep it reasonable (this is also very closely linked to rule 1!). Mark items as "NSFW" (not safe for work) if necessary. Links may be removed at the web administrator's discretion and without warning!

8 ) If something you want to post is questionable, but not illegal, then just tell people what words to Google for. Don't make a direct link on the forum please. Its easy for these kind of links to get out of hand (see rule 1).

Mark items as "NSFW" (not safe for work) if necessary

All of the rules are still relevant and applicable. If you are unsure if you should post something - look at the forum rules, and try to think if what you are posting might come under one of the rules. If you are still not sure - ask a leader or a member of the admin team to check if it ok.

3. Generally - as a guideline, I don't consider material from 4chan or its alternatives to be appropriate content for this website.

4. Remember that many of the clan members are working and access the forums from work (and they should be able to do so without fear of NSFW content appearing. Having something like 'A consensus on Pedobear' pop up when you arrive at the forums is not appropriate. Even if it isn't seen by anyone - but if they have content filters etc. that pick up things like 'pedo' - which may result in the site being blacklisted.

5. Remember that we are a 'mature gaming community'.

P.S. - I have also renamed and locked this thread. I don't feel that this is an issue for vote and discussion as like Junta & Doomy have said - I am responsible for this site and its content and I do not believe it is appropriate - as outlined above. If you wish to raise the issue with me directly - then by all means.