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[Teatime]

Anyone who has had the game for longer than a few months will already have all the old items - so why would anyone trade a duplicate item (e.g. an ubersaw or backburner) for one of the new items. This trading system will surely only work if they released all the class updates at once - then you could swap for the ones you wanted for the classes you play. Duplicate items for the already released classes are going to be pretty worthless right?

edit: I understand that it will be good for things like hats etc. and for class updates in the future but for example things like the medic items it's going to be useless :/

Granted, that's a flaw in the idea. But since Valve already mentioned plans for future rare objects the trading will probably focus on those items rather than weapons.

Also I may point out:

Giving players a method to influence the system so they can work directly toward getting specific items.

That should ease a lot of pain in the future ...

[mode_seven]

No, you can't have my afro

FINE, I never wanted to be your lover anyway!

Like you'll ever use it...

[egg]

Teatime you seem a fanboy for valve lol just admit its a crap new system, and they should have ironed out all the 'bugs' and put the trading system in from the start of the update....

or do what Robin Walker said

"We should have given all weapons from the start"

Also he says they are working these 'fixes' along side the next class update so we could be here for months getting these duplicate weapons.....

[Junta]

I'd have liked a compromise between achievements and unlocks.

Maybe if they didn't make the achievements so damn silly it would be OK?

Kill 1,000,000 scouts whilst on fire with your bare fists etc...

Madness... Valve madness..

An alternate system of "random" (and hell yes, Valve seem to be able to do "random" don't they) is utter crap IMHO. Either give everyone the weapons and don't dick about, or make them earn them. The current random drop system is utter and total garbage. As is the "trading" system - yet to be implemented.

And I don't give a damn about the hats either

[Chaos]

were supposed to get dupes
Im not that bothered as I have all of them (apart from the dead ringer which I want to try)

But its not a great system.

[claws]

I don't mind the drops but I feel I should have them by now. If they implement trading that will be a lot of it fixed, probably. I really want a hat too

[Teatime]

Teatime you seem a fanboy for valve lol just admit its a crap new system, and they should have ironed out all the 'bugs' and put the trading system in from the start of the update....

or do what Robin Walker said

"We should have given all weapons from the start"

Also he says they are working these 'fixes' along side the next class update so we could be here for months getting these duplicate weapons.....

I don't think I'm a fanboy, I just have a lot of respect for a company which has over the years released a small number of great products (rather than a larger number of mediocre ones). They have made mistakes along the way, but IMHO those are small compared with the good stuff they've done. Also I applaud them for pushing the envelope rather than playing it save. That includes what they are doing with TF2.
I know a lot of people think different, but in general I think they are adding new and interesting layers to the game.

As for bugs: They happen. There's no such thing like a perfect (=error-free) application once it exceeds a certain size. People blame Valve for not having done enough testing. I can't judge about that. Perhaps they did or did not. Perhaps you can't catch certain bugs with small-scale in-house tests. Some things might only show when it's out in the open.

But if we look more closely on what we have here: It's a new system rewarding people items in more or less regular intervals. It appears to work for most people, it just doesn't quite work as it should. Frustrating? Sure.
Game-breaking? Hardly! End of the world? Apparently for some (*shrug*).

How long will it take for them to fix this mistake? I don't know. I doubt it will be months. This is an embarrassment for Valve and I assume they are working hard on fixing it. Once done it will be applied easily enough via Steam. How soon? Again, no idea. I just know that the update was released Friday. I guess most Valve employees had the weekend off (which I wholeheartly grant them) and by the time I write this it's early afternoon in the US. You want miracles: Join a religion 

[Chaos]

I got the Huntsman today and I figured I'd share my thoughts on the new main sniper unlock.

It's quite a fun little toy to play around with on some of the smaller and more closed in maps. Take the final CP on Fastlane for example. Its a great little weapon for tight spots. I got a few kills with it, its very powerful when used with skill and care but I dont think it will ever replace my beloved sniper rifle.

Here is why.

Its less about skill than luck. It means you have to move into the battlefield and out of your safety zone. For most classes that would be fine but as a sniper you spend your time either shooting to thin numbers, counter sniping or spy checking. Doing this in the middle of the field would be a very hard task. I admit that you would no longer need to spy check as much, but it still needs to be done.

But sometimes it does get quiet out of the action so it would be cool to switch for a little while untill I can get some cover in front of the action. Like on badwater between the 2nd/3rd caps where sniping is harder and less frequent. I feel that with the new bow and arrow I could possibly help my team more with a medium ranged weapon that I can move faster with. I may get less kills this way but I will be able to push the cart and help with the objectives more.

So overall its a neat little thing. Not overpowered, just overused right now (but I dont expect any less.. even TeaTime was having a go )

Ill stick to the point/click adventure for now

[Junta]

Some sensible comments as usual there Tea

I suppose I could sum up my opinion as follows:

"Couldn't it have been simpler Valve"

This is a recurring thought I have - mostly after an update is released. I applaud Valve for their games, but sometimes they tinker in areas they need not have changed. TF2 needed more maps and a new mode of play. The weapon unlocks serve to unbalance things (thank god for our class limits)

[LtMama]

Nuff Said

[Junta]

Key point also, I suppose I'll have to admit that Valve can't win can they?

Whatever they do someone is going to be upset!

[Nineblade]

When you pick up the Fro you should also get a new taunt - "What's my name bitch?"

[AmS]

Anyone knows which corpse do you drop with Dead Ringer when disguised as someone from your team? I mean if you drop dead as a spy or it depends on the disguise.

[Junta]

I've seen cloaked / disguised spies drop dead as a spy?

Just a thought, but what would be the point of "dying" as someone else? The enemey wouldn't think that they'd killed a spy?

[AmS]

The enemey wouldn't think that they'd killed a spy?

Exactly,they might think that they killed a pyro who wanted to sneak behind them or somebody else. But sentry guns would be a problem (shooting on you as on anybody else).