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[LtMama]

I don't really understand what they're planning, but I might be alone in kinda liking the idea of RPG elements.

BURN THE HERETIC!

Yea, I dunno how I feel yet. The idea of deleting items which you can never get back already sounds a bit retarded to me, so we shall see about the rest I guess.

[mode_seven]

Yeah, it's more the deletion aspect than the unlock drops that I'm concerned about.

[mark]

Also - It's kind of like the way the changed it so that Heavy drops sandvich and you can pick it up and heal from it after you kill him. I imagine that's what they're aiming towards.

Everybody dropping sandvich!?

[Teatime]

Hmm, let's look at the facts:
The backpack is global (not class specific). So another possibilty would be that we are not talking about random drop weapons, but global achievements, which are used throughout the different classes. And to keep things within limits they allow for a max number of items, so when you want to pick up a new one you have to discard an unlocked one first.

Not sure if that would be a good idea, but it would be better than random drop weapons.

And BTW: Finally found the backpack :p

PS:

I demand an update on "The Fort" offering opinions! )

Your wish is my command ... 

[mark]

Do you have the RSS feed for "thefort2" working?

Because I subscribed.

[r007]

Just confirmed -- it works.

Had me worried there for a second danish...

[r007]

Valve sneezes and the TF2 community shouts "epidemic"  

also... this.

[mark]

Just confirmed -- it works.

Had me worried there for a second danish...

Yeah it works.

It's just some people don't know how to make a proper RSS and end up sending nothing at all.

[Teatime]

It's just some people don't know how to make a proper RSS and end up sending nothing at all.

If the technical side was my responsibility your concerns would be more than justified :p

[mark]

It's just some people don't know how to make a proper RSS and end up sending nothing at all.

If the technical side was my responsibility your concerns would be more than justified :p

R007 did it

[Finaldeath]

A little more balanced perspective from First Person Shouter.

Not really. Deja vu all over the place.

I was referring to the outcry here dude, heh.

It's still a toss up, I wish they'd explain things though. There is something known as "change for the sake of it". Using the live game to toss changes out (and there have been some crap ones they've done) is rather bad. Most other games do contain reasons behind major game changes, which this is.

[Teatime]

I'm right with you wishing Valve would comment on that.
On the other hand I can't blame them for keeping a lid on things for publicity reasons, also I would not be surprised if they were still toying with a lot of things (I just remember that the first promotional ingame videos of TF2 still had all grens present which apparently they took out literally the last minute)

But it's funny (in a sad way) to see people on the steam forums putting up screenshots of testmenus (e.g. test_itemdiscardpanel) concluding that classes could now be able to pick up weapons from other classes. Sigh.

[Carnage]

I played most of the Call of Duty series which is a good team game needing good comms and tactics, but COD5 w@w didn't do it for me.  Picking up weapons of dead players is in these games. They only stay available for maybe 20/30 secs and you only have the ammo that was left in them, so swapping can be a nightmare if you pick a gun with no bullets you then have to swap back again; this all takes time and can get you killed.  You also get the attribute of the gun, so picking up a heavy machine gun would slow your movements.

If they put these attributes in then it would be fine, ie. a scout picking up natascha would make him almost a statue, then if someone else picked up his gun and dropped an empty one then he could end up with an empty heavy gun trying to get some ammo at snails pace, but thats the risk you take.

Someone will always be unhappy with changes that are made, for me the scouts are a pain in the arse now, but thats probably because I can't kill with them   Valve will never be able to satisy everyone, but the danger is that they piss off most people, however sometimes change is good and can bring more people to the game, we will just have to wait and see.

Personally i want some body armour and some protection when i'm a engineer or a medic although if i talked more i might get more of the latter...still can't get used to push to talk!!!! Could we not have teamspeak or vent and just move into rooms when the maps start, it would also be more sociable, and push to talk would still work in game??? and you might actually hear me talking instead of my mrs saying ' i don't want your uber now'

And apologies for the ramble i could ramble on all day if i didn't stop myself

[Teatime]

If they put these attributes in then it would be fine, ie. a scout picking up natascha would make him almost a statue, then if someone else picked up his gun and dropped an empty one then he could end up with an empty heavy gun trying to get some ammo at snails pace, but thats the risk you take.

You're missing the point. The scout would be able to cross a map (e.g. goldrush) in the fraction of the time a heavy would and than could attack with a powerful weapon.
Sure, since his health is lower than the Heavy he would die more quickly, but he could still inflict more damage than he usually would and also he would return just as quick after the respawn time.

Such a thing would majorly screw up the class balance, and actually I doubt Valve will go down that road ...

[mode_seven]

I really doubt that is how it would work.

I assume it would just be a method of unlocking as suggested in the First Person Shouter post, which wouldn't really be a problem.