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[Dodgy]

Not sure if this has been posted before so I thought I'd make a thread about it.
Link to article.
It contains a few interesting nuggets of information:

A new Payload map is in the works, more community maps are on the way and the team will soon unveil a very different new game mode.

Walker says the Spy's disguise has nearly reached the end of its lifetime. Over time, average players have become much better at detecting and dispatching disguised Spies, making the ability pretty useless for all but the sneakiest of players.

Walker feels the Engineer's sentry guns have become "too binary." They're highly lethal to some players and wholly ineffective against others. Sentry guns are also easily dispatched by skilled players, leaving Engineers with little recourse.

"We've got several new class designs floating around, some of which we like a lot, but right now we're focusing on the broadening of our existing classes through the addition of the unlockables."

"We aim to try out some riskier, and hopefully more fun, design choices in the near future, with a view to learning from our players as to what works and what doesn't."

[Zarf]

I don't know what changes they could make to spies and engies that won't make them completely overpowered in the hands of an experienced player.

[Junta]

Cue Valve's latest fuck up in TF2 changes .... tinker too much and things will break

Its not the classes that need to change, more game modes are needed IMHO. Different scenarios lead to different class usage and new ways play the same old character.

[mark]

...so nobody dies against Gas' sentries any more?
Nobody was ever fooled by Lewis disguised as a demoman/heavy/scout?

...I disagree Mr. Walker, come play with those who dares...grin!

On another note: I never found the The Escapist were very good at writing articles.

[Gasman]

I dispatched 89 incompetent fools with my useless, binary gun last night. Bit off the mark there I would say. The spies on our server are bloody brilliant as well.

More maps and more game types is where it's at.

[mark]

I dispatched 89 incompetent fools with my useless, binary gun last night. Bit off the mark there I would say. The spies on our server are bloody brilliant as well.

More maps and more game types is where it's at.

Exactly! We need a map release every month and no more class updates *waits for angry scouts*

[Hzza]

I dispatched 89 incompetent fools with my useless, binary gun last night. Bit off the mark there I would say. The spies on our server are bloody brilliant as well.

More maps and more game types is where it's at.

Exactly! We need a map release every month and no more class updates *waits for angry scouts*

rhubarbrhubarbrhubarbSCOUTSNEEDBUFFINGrhubarb

[Gonk]

lol

[Zarf]

Even if Engies wern't raking in the kills, sentries perform a valuable function in forcing the other team to stop progressing until it's dealt with, almost always at the cost of an Uber.

I could perhaps see his point in sentries being vulnerable if they are left alone, but that's one of the tradeoffs an Engie has to risk.

[mark]

Even if Engies wern't raking in the kills, sentries perform a valuable function in forcing the other team to stop progressing until it's dealt with, almost always at the cost of an Uber.

I could perhaps see his point in sentries being vulnerable if they are left alone, but that's one of the tradeoffs an Engie has to risk.

Yeah, he has one more weapon than everyone else and the gun is made to die and rebuild.

[Gasman]

So I guess the article really articulates the populist and poorly understood view of the Engie role. It simply isn't about lots of kills and guns lasting for ages.

You could argue similar for the spy. He's doing a top job if he diverts attackers for spy checking irrespective of whether he gets any kills or not.

Like someone pointed out earlier in the thread, these people have never learned the game properly or played on a proper server.

[Ringelbeatz]

I liked the alpine scenery very much.

I hope they try to ceate a PL map in this look.

And I hope that they won't create something like arena again!

[Chaos]

Id love to see them put pl_greatheights up as the next community map..
(maybe with a slight, more tf2ish reskin)
that maps brilliant, well designed and a good laugh...

[Teatime]

Cue Valve's latest fuck up in TF2 changes .... tinker too much and things will break

Its not the classes that need to change, more game modes are needed IMHO. Different scenarios lead to different class usage and new ways play the same old character.

Not quite with you here. Some of the class updates are really expanding the game and change the gameplay in interesting ways. Combustion burst is a great tool, Natasha IMHO is a good, yet underrated weapon and I also like the Kritzkrieg as an alternative. Weapons like these provide you with different tools to respond to different situations keeping the game more diverse.
That having said some of the updates are nonsense and for example the Backburner was unbalanced in its original form. I also dislike the packaging of the class updates of a complete set of weapons together with ridiculous achievements which achieve actually only to disrupt constructive gameplay for a few weeks.

But you're completely right about new game modes. Nothing to keep a game fresh than a new sandbox to play in  

Walker feels the Engineer's sentry guns have become "too binary." They're highly lethal to some players and wholly ineffective against others. Sentry guns are also easily dispatched by skilled players, leaving Engineers with little recourse.

I could be mistaken, of course, but I think there could be a misunderstanding here.
I could imagine that Walker rather meant "classes" instead of "players". Some of the classes are completely helpless against a SG (Scout, medic, partially pyro). And while those classes are not intended to be SG-killers it would be nice to increase their chances a bit. In TFC the scout had a nailgun which was more effective against SGs. Medics and Pyros carried grens.
And to some degree I can see why he makes that remark about the engy. Once the SG has been disabled/destroyed the engy has little to defend against a medium or heavy class.
Again, in TFC the engy had handgrens and the mighty EMP-gren, which where very effective against heavy classes.
(Not suggesting to re-introduce grens to the game, but there sure are ways to enable some classes in more appropiate ways)

I also like to point out that it's a flawed point of view to expect a class to be balanced to what an excellent player can do with it. You have to make compromises so that a (merely) good player can be efficient in that class. An extraordinary player will always exceed that and perhaps make that class look overpowered.

[mode_seven]

Valve removed the grenades because they removed some of the distinctions between the classes. I think things are pretty balanced as they are, no class should be able to tackle every situation.